WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:03.800 The lake. Two in the afternoon, July. 00:04.820 --> 00:08.420 Basher runs down off the jetty and scrapes her foot on a board. 00:08.900 --> 00:15.420 A second later she's got sand in her eye, and over by the blanket a wasp lands right on her sandwich. 00:16.940 --> 00:19.400 Three little crises in five minutes. 00:20.080 --> 00:26.700 I reach into the bag. There's sun cream, there's a towel, there's water, and a plaster? 00:26.700 --> 00:30.320 One. And it's gone soggy. 00:30.900 --> 00:32.660 And that's exactly the moment. 00:33.160 --> 00:33.760 What moment? 00:34.360 --> 00:39.580 The one where it turns out a kit for the water is a completely different kit from the one at home. 00:40.600 --> 00:48.340 Hello, I'm Tomasz Schuster. I built the Moyabteczka app, and what Isa's just described was her Saturday a fortnight ago. 00:48.720 --> 00:55.340 As real as they come. With Basher. And with a plaster that didn't survive the first swim. 00:55.340 --> 01:01.060 So today, about that. What to pack for the water when a child's coming with you? 01:01.660 --> 01:07.520 Just the organising side. Without getting into treatment, because that stays with the doctor and the lifeguard. 01:08.280 --> 01:10.900 Then let's start with what irritates me most. 01:11.760 --> 01:16.280 Why is a kit for the water any different? A plaster's a plaster. 01:16.280 --> 01:22.340 Because by the water, everything works against you at once. Water and wet sand. 01:22.900 --> 01:25.860 An ordinary plaster peels off after the first swim. 01:26.520 --> 01:32.080 The sun, it bounces off the surface and off the sand, so it's hitting the child from two directions. 01:32.680 --> 01:36.480 And the child, who's harder to keep an eye on by the water than at home. 01:36.480 --> 01:41.620 So I pack waterproof plasters, not the ones from the drawer at home? 01:42.140 --> 01:47.620 Yes, and that's the part most people manage. Now I'll tell you what people pack, but don't check. 01:48.240 --> 01:48.860 Go on then. 01:49.340 --> 01:50.880 The sun cream from last summer. 01:51.640 --> 01:56.920 Oh no, I've got one of those. It's been in the beach bag since September. 01:57.740 --> 02:02.580 Quite. Sun cream has an expiry date and a separate period once it's opened. 02:02.580 --> 02:07.440 Opened a year ago, it belongs on the list of things to check before you go. 02:08.420 --> 02:12.220 Saline ampoules have a date too. So does the bite and sting stuff. 02:12.440 --> 02:14.980 And this is where the app comes in, I'll bet. 02:15.460 --> 02:18.520 It does, but steady on. Not the way you think. 02:19.340 --> 02:23.360 The app doesn't magically scan your bag. You enter what you've got. 02:23.920 --> 02:25.640 And here's the thing people don't expect. 02:26.120 --> 02:28.100 You can enter more than just medicines. 02:28.100 --> 02:33.120 You can add the sun cream, put in its date, and it drops onto the same list. 02:33.900 --> 02:40.700 Hang on. You mean the sun cream sits next to Basher's regular medicine on one list? 02:41.400 --> 02:44.480 Exactly. The app has a Soon tab. 02:45.100 --> 02:46.860 Just the things whose date is coming up. 02:47.240 --> 02:50.060 And it makes no difference whether it's a medicine from the catalogue 02:50.060 --> 02:52.160 or a cream you typed in by hand. 02:52.480 --> 02:56.400 As long as it's got a date, it lands on the list just the same. 02:56.400 --> 03:02.600 So instead of finding out by the lake that the cream's a year old... 03:02.600 --> 03:04.460 You see it at home, when you're packing. 03:05.220 --> 03:06.420 That's the whole difference. 03:07.080 --> 03:10.380 Going through the kit twice a year, before summer and in autumn, 03:10.960 --> 03:12.980 does more here than the best plaster. 03:13.820 --> 03:16.460 And medicines that are simply running low. 03:16.980 --> 03:18.680 Because that's my other classic. 03:19.480 --> 03:23.660 We set off, and it turns out Basher's got two doses left 03:23.660 --> 03:25.400 of something she takes regularly. 03:25.400 --> 03:28.480 That one the app keeps an eye on a bit differently. 03:29.440 --> 03:31.020 As you tick off the doses you've given, 03:31.460 --> 03:33.780 and the stock drops below the threshold you set, 03:34.360 --> 03:36.780 a low stock notification comes through. 03:37.360 --> 03:40.860 And that medicine lands on the to top up list. 03:41.560 --> 03:46.280 So it's not that the app scans the whole cabinet overnight and says, 03:46.640 --> 03:46.900 Bye. 03:46.900 --> 03:48.020 No. 03:48.020 --> 03:49.900 It counts when you tick off. 03:50.360 --> 03:52.840 But the upshot is that a week before you go, 03:53.320 --> 03:54.340 just using it normally, 03:54.920 --> 03:58.320 you see on the list that the stocks dropped below the threshold you set. 03:58.920 --> 03:59.760 Not by the water. 04:00.560 --> 04:01.140 At home. 04:01.860 --> 04:02.180 Alright. 04:02.740 --> 04:04.340 That does sound honest. 04:05.280 --> 04:07.420 You said when you tick off, 04:07.740 --> 04:09.000 not magic. 04:09.540 --> 04:10.960 Because it's not magic. 04:11.380 --> 04:12.620 It's plain counting. 04:12.620 --> 04:13.460 By the way, 04:14.260 --> 04:16.660 those things that came up about the app, 04:17.140 --> 04:19.520 entering something with an expiry date, 04:20.160 --> 04:21.720 the soon tab, 04:22.460 --> 04:23.220 low stock, 04:23.880 --> 04:25.560 a shared list offline, 04:26.360 --> 04:29.820 those really are features in the Moya Pteczka app. 04:30.420 --> 04:32.440 The rest is just packing a bag. 04:33.200 --> 04:34.280 That's not an advert, 04:34.840 --> 04:36.860 just context, to be clear. 04:36.860 --> 04:39.840 To be clear. 04:40.200 --> 04:40.640 Go on, 04:40.780 --> 04:42.460 because I can see you've got a bigger question. 04:43.240 --> 04:43.900 I have. 04:44.520 --> 04:47.720 And it's the thing that really puts me on edge by the water. 04:48.760 --> 04:50.580 Basher takes something regularly. 04:51.560 --> 04:53.460 We go to the lake as a whole family. 04:54.140 --> 04:54.460 Us, 04:54.720 --> 04:55.440 the grandparents, 04:56.060 --> 04:56.700 my dad, 04:56.840 --> 04:57.380 Kristoff. 04:58.040 --> 04:59.100 At some point, 04:59.200 --> 05:00.260 I go for a swim. 05:00.980 --> 05:02.040 And then what? 05:02.920 --> 05:04.360 Granddad's left with Basher, 05:04.360 --> 05:08.040 and he hasn't got Basher's current medicine list to hand. 05:08.740 --> 05:10.220 And signal by the lake, 05:10.940 --> 05:11.360 none. 05:12.280 --> 05:15.120 And that's the most important item on the whole list. 05:15.820 --> 05:17.100 More important than the plasters, 05:17.440 --> 05:18.220 than the cream, 05:18.700 --> 05:19.360 than anything. 05:20.440 --> 05:20.860 Why? 05:21.540 --> 05:23.700 Because a plaster's for a little graze. 05:24.520 --> 05:27.240 What you're describing is a situation where two people 05:27.240 --> 05:28.900 are looking after a child, 05:29.400 --> 05:31.640 and one doesn't know what the other does. 05:31.640 --> 05:33.360 By the water, 05:33.480 --> 05:34.800 that happens every couple of minutes. 05:35.660 --> 05:36.900 Who's watching Basher now? 05:37.900 --> 05:39.340 Diffused responsibility. 05:40.480 --> 05:41.880 With four adults about, 05:42.340 --> 05:44.140 nobody's minding the child. 05:45.060 --> 05:45.480 Exactly. 05:46.220 --> 05:48.160 And here the app does two things. 05:49.000 --> 05:49.380 First, 05:49.920 --> 05:51.860 you can have a separate child profile. 05:52.820 --> 05:55.040 Basher's medicine list is Basher's list, 05:55.400 --> 05:57.360 not mixed in with yours or mine. 05:58.060 --> 05:58.700 Right. 05:58.700 --> 05:59.200 Second, 05:59.200 --> 06:02.480 second and more important for your scene at the lake, 06:03.120 --> 06:04.700 a shared family list. 06:05.700 --> 06:06.180 Christoph, 06:06.280 --> 06:06.940 as a carer, 06:07.460 --> 06:11.080 sees the same list of Basher's medicines on his phone as you do. 06:12.060 --> 06:13.840 You don't have to dictate anything to him 06:13.840 --> 06:15.300 before you get in the water. 06:16.420 --> 06:17.100 But hang on, 06:17.620 --> 06:20.080 you said no signal by the lake, 06:20.480 --> 06:23.240 so how's he going to see anything without the internet? 06:23.240 --> 06:26.620 And here's the honest part you need to hear. 06:27.780 --> 06:28.860 It works offline, 06:29.600 --> 06:30.740 but on one condition. 06:31.860 --> 06:34.080 Christoph's phone has to sync once, 06:34.520 --> 06:35.560 while it's got signal. 06:36.240 --> 06:37.540 Even just in the morning, 06:37.760 --> 06:38.220 at home, 06:38.700 --> 06:40.360 or in the car park by the lake. 06:40.620 --> 06:42.200 So it downloads once, 06:42.360 --> 06:43.860 then works without a network? 06:44.620 --> 06:44.960 Yes. 06:45.420 --> 06:46.640 After that first sync, 06:47.100 --> 06:49.140 Basher's medicine list is on his phone, 06:49.620 --> 06:49.920 locally. 06:50.600 --> 06:51.740 You're already at the water, 06:52.320 --> 06:53.180 he loses signal, 06:53.560 --> 06:54.940 and he still opens the app 06:54.940 --> 06:56.320 and sees what Basher takes. 06:57.120 --> 06:59.700 I'm not pretending it all just appears out of thin air. 07:00.440 --> 07:02.900 It works because it downloaded once, 07:03.340 --> 07:03.680 earlier. 07:04.480 --> 07:04.960 Right. 07:05.500 --> 07:07.340 Now that does sound honest. 07:08.020 --> 07:10.940 Most apps pretend everything's there always and everywhere. 07:11.360 --> 07:12.860 You say it plainly. 07:13.340 --> 07:15.420 It has to catch signal once. 07:16.000 --> 07:17.900 Because I'd rather you knew when it works 07:17.900 --> 07:19.140 and when it doesn't. 07:19.920 --> 07:21.280 If Christoph installs the app 07:21.280 --> 07:22.760 only once you're at the water, 07:23.100 --> 07:23.840 with no signal, 07:24.420 --> 07:25.140 he'll see nothing. 07:26.020 --> 07:27.480 We pack this like the sun cream, 07:28.040 --> 07:29.100 sorted out beforehand, 07:29.500 --> 07:30.080 at home. 07:30.760 --> 07:32.940 And that's the whole philosophy of a water kit, 07:33.040 --> 07:33.560 isn't it? 07:33.840 --> 07:35.480 You do everything beforehand. 07:36.140 --> 07:37.760 You do everything beforehand. 07:38.480 --> 07:39.160 By the water, 07:39.420 --> 07:40.840 you want to be watching the child, 07:41.240 --> 07:42.800 not fishing about on your phone. 07:43.800 --> 07:45.780 Now, let's say the thing 07:45.780 --> 07:47.440 no app will do, 07:48.040 --> 07:49.600 because I'd like this to land. 07:50.240 --> 07:50.820 Go on. 07:51.460 --> 07:52.200 By the water, 07:52.500 --> 07:53.920 the most important thing 07:53.920 --> 07:54.940 isn't the plaster 07:54.940 --> 07:56.580 and it isn't the app. 07:57.140 --> 07:58.640 The most important thing 07:58.640 --> 08:00.600 is someone watching the child. 08:01.200 --> 08:02.380 Constant supervision. 08:03.120 --> 08:04.400 A lifeguarded beach. 08:04.840 --> 08:06.640 A lifeguard within sight. 08:06.640 --> 08:08.500 A hundred percent. 08:09.100 --> 08:09.820 The kit is there 08:09.820 --> 08:11.260 so you've got the basics to hand 08:11.260 --> 08:12.140 for the small stuff. 08:12.720 --> 08:14.260 It doesn't replace the lifeguard 08:14.260 --> 08:15.520 and it doesn't replace 08:15.520 --> 08:16.600 your eye on the child. 08:17.260 --> 08:18.800 They're different leagues altogether. 08:18.800 --> 08:20.780 And one more thing, 08:21.180 --> 08:23.260 because all the sensible people say it 08:23.260 --> 08:24.460 and I'll say it again. 08:25.240 --> 08:26.680 If, after a sting, 08:27.220 --> 08:29.040 something serious comes on, 08:29.540 --> 08:30.320 trouble breathing, 08:30.780 --> 08:31.960 a swollen face, 08:32.340 --> 08:32.720 weakness, 08:33.600 --> 08:35.940 you don't go looking in the bag then. 08:36.440 --> 08:37.620 You ring 999. 08:38.320 --> 08:39.220 Straight away. 08:39.360 --> 08:41.400 A water kit is for organising the basics 08:41.400 --> 08:42.420 for the small stuff. 08:43.300 --> 08:44.200 With a near drowning, 08:44.680 --> 08:45.600 a loss of consciousness, 08:46.200 --> 08:46.860 trouble breathing, 08:46.860 --> 08:48.400 a swollen face 08:48.400 --> 08:49.680 or a severe reaction. 08:50.400 --> 08:52.360 It's 999 and the lifeguard. 08:53.120 --> 08:54.320 The app, the plasters, 08:54.720 --> 08:56.560 everything else steps aside then. 08:57.460 --> 08:57.840 Right. 08:58.060 --> 09:00.820 So now as briefly as you can, 09:01.380 --> 09:02.980 what do I actually pack 09:02.980 --> 09:04.380 for the water with Basher? 09:05.260 --> 09:06.040 Into the bag. 09:06.840 --> 09:08.380 Sun cream checked before you go, 09:09.000 --> 09:09.440 a hat, 09:10.060 --> 09:10.660 a t-shirt, 09:11.300 --> 09:12.220 waterproof plasters, 09:12.880 --> 09:13.840 a sterile dressing, 09:14.640 --> 09:15.400 antiseptic, 09:15.980 --> 09:16.520 tweezers, 09:17.360 --> 09:18.340 saline ampoules 09:18.340 --> 09:20.680 and something for bites and stings. 09:21.480 --> 09:22.820 And the most important thing, 09:23.320 --> 09:25.020 the child's regular medicines, 09:25.620 --> 09:27.640 the supply plus a reserve. 09:28.060 --> 09:30.020 The supply plus a reserve. 09:30.820 --> 09:33.460 Plus a list the other carer can see too. 09:34.400 --> 09:36.360 Offline after that first sink. 09:36.360 --> 09:38.680 And over the lot of it, 09:39.240 --> 09:40.820 an eye on the child. 09:41.820 --> 09:42.860 Over the lot of it, 09:43.320 --> 09:44.640 an eye on the child. 09:45.740 --> 09:48.060 If you'd like to sort this out before you go, 09:48.500 --> 09:50.340 that's the Moya Pteczka app. 09:51.020 --> 09:52.000 The app is free 09:52.000 --> 09:53.540 and after that first sink, 09:53.740 --> 09:54.980 it works offline too. 09:54.980 --> 09:57.620 You'll find the link in the episode description. 09:57.620 --> 10:00.260 And if the episode's been useful, 10:00.780 --> 10:04.260 pass it on to someone packing a bag for the water with a child this summer. 10:04.260 --> 10:07.320 One more thing before we go. 10:08.080 --> 10:11.260 This podcast is made with the help of artificial intelligence. 10:11.260 --> 10:13.700 I wrote the dialogue myself, 10:14.200 --> 10:16.340 but the voices you're hearing aren't ours. 10:16.780 --> 10:19.040 They're AI-generated synthetic voices. 10:20.000 --> 10:21.800 We're telling you this straight out 10:21.800 --> 10:25.480 because we think it should be the standard for any podcast made this way. 10:26.520 --> 10:28.300 Full details are in the show notes 10:28.300 --> 10:30.320 and in every episode description. 10:31.200 --> 10:32.200 Until next time. 10:32.940 --> 10:35.700 And keep an eye on those little ones by the water. 10:35.700 --> 10:38.360 Until next time.